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Colocator User (Mr. User)
There are a few expressions that I think could cover the attitude here, but the one that comes closest is: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. It appears that our collegue, Mr.User would simply complain about the weight if given a large bag of gold. I repeat my original post, hopefully with a bit more palatable wording. What you require is an education, or experience in the following areas: Network administration (linux or NT will work here), Internet site hosting for the WWW (a good book on apache or IIS4.0 will do fine), the Perl Development Kit (for Unix or NT depending on your system) and finally database administration (look for a thick book which covers relational database design, theory and normalization.) We all do this for a living, so while we can provide guidance and support, don't expect us to set up your system for you. If you're having that difficult a time, stop, regroup and come back after a week. It usually helps to get your mind unwound from the project for a while instead of flaming everyone and thier brother for a decided lack of knowledge on your part. Only time and experience can teach you what you need to know.
I apologize if my original answer back seemed a bit brash, its easy for a $75/hr programmer to forget his $10/hour days. Remember though, we didn't work our way to the big bucks by incessantly pissing off people that could help us (please pardon the vulgarity, but it fits the situation.) You would be wise to be very careful who you anger in this business. There will come a time when you will need your site critiqued, and as a web-site manager that's been hit by a hacker recently, I can tell you that you never know who your tone is upsetting. Perhaps it would be wise of you to take a class on anger control (they offer them free at most community centers.)
vandy
-----Original Message-----
From: Colocator User [mailto:minivend@twu.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 4:28 PM
To: mike
Cc: minivend-users@minivend.com
Subject: RE: [perl] tag is a cruel joke, and user-defined tags don't do
ja ck , squat. HELP! How do I use Perl!?
I make $10 an hour. Do I look like I can spare $15,000? I'm an advocate
of the open-source world and I hate American capitalism (the sort of
thinking that produced the idea of a $15,000 piece of software). And it
bothers me when people who produce good software produce horrible
documentation. If you care enough to produce good software, care enough to
document it well, or have someone do it for ya, surely?
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, mike wrote:
> Hmm.. I'm not going to answer him. Sorry, but I take flames to this
> group personally. I say let him pay 15 grand for a commercial program
> that does what this one does.
>
> vandy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colocator User [mailto:minivend@twu.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 1:16 PM
> To: minivend-users@minivend.com
> Subject: [perl] tag is a cruel joke, and user-defined tags don't do jack
> , squat. HELP! How do I use Perl!?
>
>
> ****** message to minivend-users from Colocator User
> <minivend@twu.net> ******
>
> Hey there MiniVend gurus--
>
> Just started with the program, and I'm trying to utilize a Perl
> script I've written from within a MiniVend page. The [perl] tag is a
> cruel
> joke; you can't use backticks (due to that stupid Safe module, which I'd
> rather not turn off if I don't have to) or even print statements
> (!!!!!);
> all you can use seems to be setting and returning variables, which is
> unacceptable. I need more than that!
>
> I tried to define the Perl I want as a user tag. It did squat.
> First of all, the syntax listed on the Web site for defining a user tag
> is
> horrible-- MiniVend chokes on it when starting up. Secondly, when I
> finally DID find a way of arranging the damned curly-braces so that it
> wouldn't puke on my user tag, the user tag did SQUAT!
>
> They say the best way to learn is by example. Could someone give
> me an example-- or more than one example-- of a way to display the
> output
> of:
>
> print "Hi there";
>
> ...in a MiniVend page?
>
> Flames or "RTFM"s will be passed on to /dev/null. Please give me
> a
> real answer.
>
> Incidentally, the MiniVend FAQ ***SUCKS***. Perhaps something
> more
> like the Perl FAQ is in order-- where it's more of an "all questions
> we've
> been asked that have a simple--or even a not-so-simple-- answer" list
> than
> a "frequently asked questions" list. The MiniVend FAQ only answers the
> simplest of stupid questions...
>
>
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