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OK, I tried this and it worked: [loop search="ra=yes tf=[scratch sortby] ml=[db-count]" with="-lines"] The key is adding ml=[db-count] ([db-count] is a UserTag in minivend.cfg, circa MV3.14?). This still seems like a roundabout way of doing this though. Is there a more elegant way? Perhaps some config setting I'm missing? Thanks, August -- August Detlefsen mailto:augustd@idiom.com